SCENEprofiles Interview with 
Ms. Binder

Co-Founder of The Power Exchange at SUNY, Albany 

 

 

 

 

 


bindherup@yahoo.com 

SENSUOUS SADIE: I UNDERSTAND YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE BDSM COMMUNITY FOR SOME TIME. PLEASE TELL ME ABOUT THIS.

BINDER: My first day in the BDSM community was the day I looked up a club on yahoo, saw that a munch was happening that evening, and donned my black clothes.  I simply walked up and said, "Hi.  I'm new."  Normally I'm a shy person, but I was so excited to finally be meeting other people like myself.  For a while it was confusing, meeting new people all the time, trying to find my place.  Like any community, BDSM has its ups and downs, friction, and every kind of personality that's made.  But my first few years in Upstate New York were made much easier by the sense of belonging I found in the community.  Coming from a west coast suburb, to college, to this region, I'd lived in a few different places, but usually had friends who were like me in most other ways.. only most of the time they weren't kinky.  Not only was the community a place where I could find my kinky self, it was also one in which people from every walk of life were thrust together.  While we have some common threads, we are cut from a multitude of cloths. 


SS: ARE YOU INVOLVED IN ANY FORMAL BDSM GROUPS? (LIKE APEX, ROSE & THORN ETC.) WHAT KINDS OF THINGS TO YOU DO WITH/FOR THEM? WHERE DO YOU LIVE?

B: I do belong to a few formal BDSM groups, and I founded one of my own.  The Power Exchange at SUNY Albany is currently out of service, but still exists.  This was the idea of a friend of mine, and she has since moved away.  Having attempted leadership of a brand new club, I can say that I truly appreciate the hard work that goes in to any BDSM organization.  At the moment, the same busy life that has put the PE at SUNYA on the back burner prevents me from doing more in the community.  But the younger generation remains a primary concern of mine, and I enjoy discussing or working on it any chance I get. 

SS: HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE YOUR PHILOSOPHY/APPROACH AS IT PERTAINS TO THE BDSM LIFESTYLE? ARE YOU DOMINANT, SUBMISSIVE, SWITCH?

B: I am a switch, but the label means little to me.  For me, the emotions that fuel BDSM desires are often not much different from those that are common in the vanilla world.

I see BDSM as a system of feelings, desires, and activities.  Sometimes we borrow elements from the world around us.. cops and prisoners, doctors, nurses and patients, teachers and students, knights, damsels, and vampires… etc. etc.  These roles already include a power/pleasure dynamic.  But in BDSM, the pleasure and eroticism are made more visible.  While roles, both permanent and temporary, are a major aspect of the BDSM lifestyle, I think that what makes BDSM so unique is that one need not play any role at all.  In vanilla life, I've found that interactions between men and women, in particular, are filled with expectations and stereotypes.  (Men pursue, women resist, men cheat, women tease… etc.)  Most of the time, they are taken for granted.. I have a number of vanilla friends who treat dating and sex with a great deal of cynicism and ill-will.  Granted, we've all been injured in that way before.  But while the vanilla world often works like a game with a host of unwritten rules, BDSM is markedly different.  The rules of the game are held up to great scrutiny, we debate them often, and usually with a sense of maturity and mutual respect.  Some of the stereotypes of vanilla life are directly refuted, for example, women in BDSM often know their own sexuality and aren't afraid to exercise it as they wish, express it frankly, and have a lot of fun with it.  Likewise, I have met more men in BDSM than anywhere who's desire for sex is as healthy as the next, yet they don't feel the need to exaggerate or act upon it rudely.  While we may have a particular flair for role playing (and a knack for doing it with great style), the lifestyle tends not to assume any particular role for anyone.  Masculinity and Femininity are subject to revision and reassignment, and sometimes thrown right out the window.  This, I think, is what gives us the greatest freedom – to make of sex and intimacy what we will. 

And so, the role of switch is what suits me best.  I cannot be beholden to any particular role for very long, because for me they are all tools, just like the toys in one's toy bag.  Taking up a role can be a way to expand the self, express particular feelings, or satisfy one's partner.  Ideally, I like for it to be all three.  For some, ever deeper identification with one role is the key to fulfillment, and I have great appreciation for the dedication and effort that goes into that.  But I have no particular connection to any one role.  There is so much to try and enjoy in the world of BDSM, I feel that my whole range of emotions is best served by keeping my options open.

SS: WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW THE BDSM COMMUNITY IS CHANGING AS IT MOVES INTO THE NEW MILLENNIUM?

B: The BDSM community is definitely changing.  When kinky people could only meet each other through personal contacts, with significant risks to their professional and family lives, or worse, it took a considerable commitment to be a part of it at all.  Now, it can take very little, and as newer generations come into it, they will perceive fewer and fewer risks.  This is mostly a very good thing, as more people than ever can be open about their kinks.  But people are also more likely to think that there is no reason to organize.  I think that we need to seriously take stock of the community, and how it is organized, to figure out what it is that we are offering, and why people want to join it.  Many people join only because they are looking for partners.  Rarely, people are looking for someone to abuse, and it does not serve us well when they succeed.  This is one reason that I think organizing only for partner pick-up is not enough.  A network of friends, who share knowledge and keep an eye on each other is, unfortunately, necessary.  Reaching out to newcomers, especially, is something we need to do to protect each other. 

While young people may feel uninhibited in their preferences, discrimination is still a problem.  The NCSF is providing a great service to people who are in danger of losing their children or their jobs, and educating public officials.  But this kind of action cannot work without all of us communicating and providing support at the local level.  We also need to exchange knowledge, skills and support with one another.  Organizing can help us in learning how to play safely, getting new ideas, and helping each other through relationships.

But ultimately, the community needs to provide whatever the next generations need.  The people who come to the community are going to become increasingly diverse.  We will encounter every stripe of kink, and some forms that maybe we haven't even thought of yet.  There will be people who want to commit wholeheartedly to a BDSM lifestyle, and people who only want to be kinky once in a while.  So we, as the existing community, need to be open to all these possibilities, and responsive to the people who are seeking out others like themselves.


SS: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT EDUCATING THE VANILLA COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT WE DO?

B: Educating the vanilla community is absolutely essential, in my opinion.  Like I mentioned above, significant aspects of vanilla life are in need of change, and BDSM has much to offer in that area.  As a group of people who consciously pursue a different kind of love and sexuality, many of us are exceptionally self-aware about those aspects of our lives.  I think this self-awareness could be a very good influence on those parts of vanilla life that go unquestioned, and often leave people very hurt. 

If there's one thing I'd like to teach the vanilla world, it's that a swat on the bottom, even a serious whipping, causes much less pain to the body than irresponsibility and lack of respect can cause to the heart and soul.  The things we do are simply forms, but what determines the morality or worth of any relationship or sexual encounter is the way in which people treat one another.  I hope that educating our vanilla friends and neighbors can encourage at least some people to question assumptions about love and sex.

In addition, people who have never seen a positive image of BDSM, but feel a strong interest in it, could misinterpret an abusive relationship as a solution for their unresolved desires.  This is putting people through unnecessary risks.  Educating the vanilla community is perhaps the only way to reach significant portions of people who would really like to explore BDSM, but are afraid, or believe that it is violent, wrong, or indecent.  Fighting these misperceptions is a daunting task, but one I feel is very important for the well-being of kinky people both inside and outside of the community.

SS: HOW HAS BDSM CHANGED YOUR LIFE? IF YOU HAD A CHOICE, WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE BEEN A REGULAR "VANILLA" PERSON?

B: Finding BDSM has helped me to grow in a number of ways.  I learned to separate my body image from my ability to be sexual.  I gained confidence.  From BDSM I found whole new ways of looking at the body and what it does.  I learned that the beauty of what the body feels and expresses is no less valuable than the way it looks, and in fact, is often more valuable.  Creating an aesthetic out of body, sensation, color, light and sound can be, for me, a deliciously subversive act.  It breaks the boundaries of what people normally expect the body to do and be.  There's something highly transgressive about combining elements that aren't supposed to be, like a soft moan and a garment of smooth velvet, with a harsh, bright light and lengths of tough, gnarled rope. 

For the second question, I still am vanilla in many ways.  I enjoy a good old-fashioned quickie, without any power exchange.  I like to think of sex as love-making, in its more tender and sensitive moments.  But if I could choose not to get aroused by bondage and power exchange, I would definitely still feel that way.  A variety of flavors is so much more interesting.  I'm not so sure anyone can really be 100% vanilla.  Compared to some of my 99% kinky friends, I'm hovering somewhere around 65%.  And I believe a good portion of that has little to do with body chemistry and much to do with fairy tales and fantasy.  Sure, a good spanking has some lovely and unique feelings to it, but I've never fantasized about one.  I fantasize about things I've seen in movies like Labyrinth, and music videos ("Hungry like the Wolf" comes to mind).  I fantasize about places, clothes, smells… icons.  While some of us pursue these feelings as a major part of our life, many people also feel attracted by the same things.  Perhaps I wanted to seek them out more than others because I didn't see myself being successful in the world of regular sex and romance.  When reality doesn't look good, fantasy can become much more appealing.

SS: ARE YOU CURRENTLY IN A RELATIONSHIP? IF SO, CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT? IF NOT, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR IN A PARTNER?

B: My partner prefers to keep these things private, so I can only talk about him as male, and as a switch who prefers submission.

BDSM is not the basis of our relationship, which is how I like it to be.  Most of the time, we behave like vanillas, and often have vanilla sex.  But since he was new to BDSM when we met, we've had great fun exploring one bit of it at a time.  In a longer-term relationship like this, the psychological aspects have become more important.  It's an adventure for both of us.

SS: ANY PET PEEVES ABOUT THE BDSM LIFESTYLE IN GENERAL?

B: First, I have a pet peeve about downplaying the importance of sex.  Yes, there are many other important aspects of BDSM.  But the erotic is key.  Power exchange by itself just doesn't seem complete to me.  Erotic power exchange is a big part of what makes BDSM so interesting and unique.  Denying its importance could make BDSM seem more "decent", or legitimate, to some, but I think this like cutting out a major organ to make the creature seem better, when questioning its value is not a valid one to begin with. 

Second, I have a pet peeve about neglecting emotion, particularly emotions that are fairly mainstream.  The desire to submit and the desire to dominate are often painfully intense, and many people live those desires with great passion and beauty.  But this doesn't negate the existence of other emotions.  I can't help but think that subsuming the whole personality in submission or dominance is a form of escape, and that even the most committed Doms and subs need a certain amount of space for maintaining the self. 

I guess in my heart I still like the old vanilla notion that love and sex should be intermingled for best results.  What does it mean that we would want to put one or both aside in favor of power exchange?  I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it's just that I think it's so wonderful when all three are working together in harmony.  I have a very innate negative reaction to treating intimacy as only an exchange.. mutually satisfying an urge with no tenderness, and not very much mutual understanding.  Sure, I've done this, a number of times, and some of them weren't bad at all, in fact, some of them were very important experiences for me.  But it often left me feeling very unhappy, all the effort of finding a partner and negotiating the exchange seemed wasted when there was no intimate connection to keep it going later.  Are there others out there who feel this way?  Do they prefer long-term power exchange, even if it isn't sexual?  Or do they prefer an emotional connection that happens to have power exchange and possibly sex involved?  I definitely lean towards the second one.  My peeve, really my fear, is that negotiating exchanges, with or without sex, could be the norm within the community, overshadowing the possibility of love.

SS: DO YOU HAVE ANY PARTICULAR AREAS OF EDUCATION OR SPECIALIZATION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO EDUCATE OUR READERS ABOUT?

B: The one area I think I have some special information about is the future generation of BDSMers.  Younger people are exposed to more and more images involving fetish and BDSM.  I only really started to notice this after I got into the community, but now I see the things my friends' younger siblings are looking at, and it's much more blatant.  And it's not always positive.  Some of these images portray S/M as only sexual, or as inherently "wild" and promiscuous.  They may be getting the idea that BDSM is a way to escape real life issues in sex, or that "wild" ways of being sexual don't require responsibility.  I have seen this attitude show up sometimes, when young men make passes based only on a profile that says, "BDSM", and they then jump to the conclusion that the person is a quick and easy lay, even if the profile explicitly says otherwise. 

On the other hand, younger people are often interested in exploring many different sides of their sexuality.  BDSM may be one of these, but they don't feel the need to focus on it exclusively.  Some may be looking to do something that crosses boundaries, and complicates identities rather than collapsing them.  College-aged people are often exposed to more confrontational ways of being different, like queer politics or AIDS activism, and might see S/M as something that fits into their world view.  They might be more attracted to fluid, changeable roles and identities.  This marks an even further shift away from a highly structured scene with protocol and enforcement of rules.  I think the worst thing we could do would be to insist that we do things the way they were done before, and alienate many young people.  We need to avoid setting up rigid expectations on kinky behavior, while still emphasizing the need for safety and responsibility.  Taking the lifestyle so seriously that we can't laugh about it, deciding for other people what their roles are, declaring that one way is better than another (while neither is safer than the other) are all ways that people can be alienated.  It may be difficult to strike a balance between the traditions and values that many of us share, and the flexibility to allow the community to grow.  But it's something I think we need to do.


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Sensuous Sadie is the author of It's Not About the Whip: Love, Sex, and Spirituality in the BDSM Scene (http://www.trafford.com/robots/03-0551.html). She is the founder and leader (1999 - 2001) of Rose & Thorn , Vermont 's first BDSM group. Comments, compliments and complaints, as well as requests for reprinting can be addressed to her at SensuousSadie@aol.com  or visit her website at www.sensuoussadie.com. Sadie believes the universe is abundant, and that sharing information freely is part of this abundance, so she allows reprints of her writing in most venues.

Copyright 2003 Sadie Sez Publications